WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:13.920 This is Hacker Public Radio Episode 4, 2013 for Wednesday, the 20th of December 2023. 00:13.920 --> 00:18.680 Today's show is entitled, Smartwatches Gross. 00:18.680 --> 00:23.280 It is hosted by Operator and is about 30 minutes long. 00:23.280 --> 00:26.040 It carries an explicit flag. 00:26.040 --> 00:40.920 The summary is, Operator talks about his setup and issues with smartwatches. 00:40.920 --> 00:44.160 You are listening to a show from the Reserve queue. 00:44.160 --> 00:49.160 We are airing it now because we had free slots that were not filled. 00:49.160 --> 00:55.040 This is a community project that needs listeners to contribute shows in order to survive. 00:55.040 --> 00:58.040 Please consider recording a show for Hacker Public Radio. 00:58.040 --> 01:02.040 Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Hacker Public Radio with the host Operator. 01:02.040 --> 01:05.040 Again, apologize for the audio, still in the car. 01:05.040 --> 01:10.040 We are on a long car ride with me, fortunately. 01:10.040 --> 01:18.040 Today we are talking about smartwatches and my little or less-dead dive into smartwatches 01:18.040 --> 01:20.040 and where I feel like we are at today. 01:21.040 --> 01:25.040 I got an e-missage or something, sorry. 01:25.040 --> 01:28.040 I'm very glad I have to turn myself here. 01:28.040 --> 01:36.040 First, the reason I wanted to try and smartwatches is because Google says it is awful. 01:36.040 --> 01:46.040 I end up having a screen to my pocket to get it to say, hey, or okay, the keyword. 01:46.040 --> 01:52.040 So I opted to think of something that would get me some kind of external mic. 01:52.040 --> 01:57.040 That I wouldn't have to have a mic on my ear all the time to say, well, the only only thing 01:57.040 --> 01:59.040 is going to work is a wearable. 01:59.040 --> 02:07.040 So my first requirement was all I need is a microphone that will send a basically a Bluetooth microphone 02:07.040 --> 02:09.040 that I can wear around my wrist is what I really want. 02:09.040 --> 02:13.040 And there's probably an option out there or something to that effect, 02:13.040 --> 02:15.040 just a small form factor of microphone. 02:15.040 --> 02:22.040 USB or Bluetooth microphone that I can just attach to my wrist or my lapel or whatever you want 02:22.040 --> 02:25.040 to call it and have that ability. 02:25.040 --> 02:29.040 Even just if I had to turn it on, wait for it to sink and then say my thing to turn it off 02:29.040 --> 02:30.040 or just leave it on all the time. 02:30.040 --> 02:36.040 I don't know what my options are, but I definitely need something besides screaming to my pocket 02:36.040 --> 02:38.040 when I want to talk to my assistant. 02:39.040 --> 02:46.040 The other background is I want to start working on my eye automation making my AI voice. 02:46.040 --> 02:49.040 There's a few ones out there 11 laps, I think it's called. 02:49.040 --> 02:52.040 They do a decent job, but they won't let you have the model of course. 02:52.040 --> 03:02.040 So you record like 20 seconds of audio and they do a pretty decent job of my voice. 03:02.040 --> 03:07.040 Obviously people that know me, that's not my voice in his sounds of the stage. 03:07.040 --> 03:12.040 But the same thing for the video, you can do the same kind of thing with video right now, 03:12.040 --> 03:17.040 but it looks staged and it doesn't look like it makes a whole lot of sense. 03:17.040 --> 03:25.040 But I'm working towards that, what I want is to create an AI agent that sounds like me. 03:25.040 --> 03:33.040 I want to create, and I want to have the model be like maybe 20% me. 03:34.040 --> 03:38.040 I want to hear some rattling sounds. 03:38.040 --> 03:47.040 I want the model to be, I'm going to be able to ask the model stuff. 03:47.040 --> 03:57.040 I want just to say some shenanigans going on here with the popo. 03:57.040 --> 04:03.040 So I want the model to, I want to train eventually to train my own local model, which is not really going to be an option for me, 04:03.040 --> 04:08.040 because I don't have like 30,000 dollars to train a model. 04:08.040 --> 04:14.040 And like, you know, $5,000 worth of GPUs and rampant. 04:14.040 --> 04:18.040 I'm assuming we're going to get there pretty quickly. 04:18.040 --> 04:23.040 You might have some kind of secure way in which to fine tune your own voice. 04:23.040 --> 04:26.040 There might be something out there, but I'm trying to stay ahead of the curve. 04:26.040 --> 04:36.040 What I want ultimately is a AI assistant that sounds like me that will manage my time for me, right? 04:36.040 --> 04:41.040 We'll help manage my time, and we'll also help me with communication. 04:41.040 --> 04:48.040 So mainly, obviously personal communication, only not work-based stuff. 04:49.040 --> 04:59.040 So I want to help me with time management and help me with stuff like communicating people effectively. 04:59.040 --> 05:04.040 So if I go to write a text message or whatever, I'll send a message to someone. 05:04.040 --> 05:07.040 It will be mighty for me. 05:07.040 --> 05:14.040 And then maybe say it back and say, open, well, this is how I want, this is how this is the message I'm sending. 05:14.040 --> 05:18.040 Baba, you know, a broken wish. 05:18.040 --> 05:24.040 So those are my two requirements for the agent. 05:24.040 --> 05:36.040 And I can ask it things like, you know, tell me, you know, I'm going to a conference in Blue Ridge on Monday. 05:37.040 --> 05:40.040 But I have to be also in Blue Ridge. 05:40.040 --> 05:44.040 Or I'm going to a conference in Augusta. 05:44.040 --> 05:49.040 You know, looking at my calendar, I'm going to a conference in Augusta. 05:49.040 --> 05:52.040 And I also have to go to Blue Ridge. 05:52.040 --> 05:55.040 What should I do to, you know, the sort is travel. 05:55.040 --> 05:57.040 How should I sort that out? 05:57.040 --> 06:02.040 And it could tell me, you know, some way to say, hey, you should go to Blue Ridge first, 06:02.040 --> 06:07.040 or you should stay in home and then go directly to, you know, 06:07.040 --> 06:12.040 Augusta and then have your wife drive herself back from Blue Ridge. 06:12.040 --> 06:13.040 I don't know. 06:13.040 --> 06:17.040 But there's a million things you can ask it to do to agent to do. 06:17.040 --> 06:22.040 And it won't kind of essentially within the next year to do it. 06:22.040 --> 06:26.040 But that's got to the size all that I've bought for five minutes about. 06:26.040 --> 06:27.040 Hey, I stuff. 06:27.040 --> 06:29.040 But that's just to give you some background. 06:29.040 --> 06:30.040 That's why I'm going down this road. 06:30.040 --> 06:32.040 I don't like wearables. 06:32.040 --> 06:38.040 I, in fact, have kind of against them at their current state. 06:38.040 --> 06:41.040 They're infectious kind of gross. 06:41.040 --> 06:44.040 You know, they live off your data. 06:44.040 --> 06:47.040 So that had a fit bit. 06:47.040 --> 06:51.040 It was like three second hand fit bit that I played around for a little bit. 06:51.040 --> 06:53.040 But I'm not into any of that. 06:53.040 --> 06:54.040 I didn't get a smart watch for the fit. 06:54.040 --> 06:59.040 I got a smart watch for basically to work on creating my only. 06:59.040 --> 07:01.040 Yeah, agent. 07:01.040 --> 07:04.040 Or something of the sorts. 07:04.040 --> 07:08.040 So the first thing I ended up with is a. 07:08.040 --> 07:10.040 What did they call it? 07:10.040 --> 07:12.040 It's a little. 07:12.040 --> 07:15.040 It's a little ESP32 on. 07:15.040 --> 07:17.040 A little. 07:17.040 --> 07:18.040 A little wrist. 07:18.040 --> 07:19.040 ESP32. 07:19.040 --> 07:21.040 It's pretty, pretty big. 07:21.040 --> 07:22.040 It's pretty bulky. 07:22.040 --> 07:25.040 It's probably not very sturdy. 07:26.040 --> 07:29.040 But I got it as like a heck of a smart watch. 07:29.040 --> 07:31.040 So if I want to. 07:31.040 --> 07:32.040 It has a microphone. 07:32.040 --> 07:34.040 I think a speaker. 07:34.040 --> 07:36.040 I want to say Bluetooth. 07:36.040 --> 07:38.040 And wireless. 07:38.040 --> 07:39.040 I can't remember the name of it. 07:39.040 --> 07:44.040 But there's a million of them out there. 07:44.040 --> 07:45.040 But. 07:45.040 --> 07:46.040 Because I can't. 07:46.040 --> 07:47.040 You back. 07:47.040 --> 07:48.040 You can't. 07:48.040 --> 07:49.040 You can't. 07:49.040 --> 07:51.040 You can't. 07:51.040 --> 07:52.040 You can't. 07:52.040 --> 07:53.040 You can't. 07:54.040 --> 07:58.040 But this one is the ESP32 base and it's like the second to enter something. 07:58.040 --> 08:00.040 Um, and they had like firmware updates. 08:00.040 --> 08:01.040 So automatically. 08:01.040 --> 08:02.040 Stuff. 08:02.040 --> 08:04.040 But, you know, you need to stay. 08:04.040 --> 08:06.040 It's a proof of concept device. 08:06.040 --> 08:09.040 Um, if you were going to where you know, create some kind of 08:09.040 --> 08:11.040 wearable. 08:11.040 --> 08:14.040 Or have some kind of specific requirement for a wearable. 08:14.040 --> 08:16.040 And you did like. 08:16.040 --> 08:17.040 Of cold. 08:17.040 --> 08:18.040 Framework to start from. 08:18.040 --> 08:20.040 That would actually be a. 08:20.040 --> 08:24.520 To do but you got stuff like flip or zero, then we'll kind of do a lot of that stuff 08:25.680 --> 08:29.360 But I got that one and then I got it used. What is this? 08:30.520 --> 08:38.960 Samsung S5 watch or something like that S3 here S5 I got it used for I don't know how much it's like the pink rose gold one 08:38.960 --> 08:43.600 I don't know if I can I got a fair discount on it used and 08:43.600 --> 08:53.160 And I got the Pirate one first the kind of open source one first and it wasn't 08:53.880 --> 08:59.160 Particularly impressive obviously because it doesn't have the backing of 08:59.880 --> 09:01.880 5 billion dollar company 09:02.400 --> 09:07.240 But I'm it did have potential and it could be you know a very simple 09:07.880 --> 09:09.880 Record this audio 09:10.440 --> 09:17.720 You know send it over, you know compress it or even just send it raw over to the server to be processed by the yawning 09:17.720 --> 09:19.720 That's something I could simply build 09:20.520 --> 09:25.160 But by the time I figured that out I could probably just use the Google's 09:25.800 --> 09:26.920 You know 09:26.920 --> 09:29.160 VPI or somebody else is VPI 09:29.800 --> 09:32.800 But with the smartwatch I've been using it for 09:33.760 --> 09:35.760 Mother's own now 09:36.000 --> 09:40.920 Number one you can't wear any other watch. I have little cheap watches that I love 09:42.000 --> 09:45.760 You know that I have a personality and I like to wear 09:46.400 --> 09:51.040 Different little cool watches and I get like to get compliments on my you know 09:51.520 --> 09:54.840 Little cool watches. I can't afford it you know 40,000 dollar watch 09:56.240 --> 09:59.160 But I can have these cool little watches that are like 09:59.640 --> 10:02.440 You know throw away watches and don't worry about breaking them or losing them 10:03.320 --> 10:06.200 But you can't wear any of that crap because you have to wear these stupid smartwatch 10:07.560 --> 10:11.000 Also this one doesn't come with any kind of real-lerver ticter 10:11.880 --> 10:16.440 I bought screen protectors for it and I've already gone through three of them 10:17.400 --> 10:20.680 So I'm not happy there. I have already scraped it on the roof 10:21.640 --> 10:24.360 Cracked it and scraped the top of it on the roof 10:24.360 --> 10:25.800 So there's some 10:25.960 --> 10:27.800 Damage already there and I didn't get the site 10:28.680 --> 10:31.400 Thinking so they you know, this is dumb people get 10:31.960 --> 10:33.080 These you know 10:33.080 --> 10:36.760 Exits of devices and they don't put protectors on the middle and then they get scratched up the hill 10:37.720 --> 10:40.200 So I can't blame anybody myself on that one. So the first 10:40.840 --> 10:42.840 Yeah, it's it's annoying because you're 10:44.360 --> 10:45.720 You have a watch 10:45.720 --> 10:47.720 That you had to wear all the time 10:48.520 --> 10:54.440 The second annoying factor of it is that I didn't like I don't really like these rubber things which I'm going back to it 10:54.920 --> 10:56.920 The rubber 10:56.920 --> 11:03.000 It's kind of sweaty and not breathable. I'm actually taking it off right now just to get my arm some hair 11:03.800 --> 11:08.760 But you can wear them at night. They're very comfortable at night. The little rubber things are very comfortable at night 11:09.320 --> 11:11.320 If you 11:11.320 --> 11:14.680 This S5 oh she's I forgot about that 11:15.480 --> 11:16.840 So 11:16.840 --> 11:20.760 I'll go buy the comfortable league comfort ability first and I'll talk about the other stuff 11:21.080 --> 11:26.360 So these rubber bands watch bands are great for sleeping 11:26.920 --> 11:30.280 If you have apnea or you snore 11:31.240 --> 11:33.960 You can wear this and turn on the snoring with the samsung crap 11:35.320 --> 11:37.720 And have snore detection and all that good stuff 11:38.040 --> 11:39.720 If you want to start tracking some of that 11:41.400 --> 11:44.040 You know go go for it. But I bought a 11:44.760 --> 11:50.600 cheap like a metal watch band for this watch specifically and it is 11:51.000 --> 11:53.000 Very uncomfortable 11:53.000 --> 11:57.960 I don't know at one point what point time what I couldn't do I just my wrist 11:58.600 --> 12:04.360 Like a wrist pad or even at the office. I don't have a wrist pad and just the pressure of the crappy 12:05.080 --> 12:07.560 Metal wrist band with the hard edges 12:08.200 --> 12:12.600 It makes it different so if you're gonna buy another watch band make sure you buy a nice quality watch band 12:12.600 --> 12:15.080 That's got rounded edges and not sharp 12:15.960 --> 12:19.640 Metal edges to it for the glasses and stuff 12:19.640 --> 12:22.200 So I think if I actually took the dribble tool to the metal one 12:22.680 --> 12:27.480 It would be more whatever but your band arm band ones wrap around 12:28.120 --> 12:30.440 Better and the they are more consistent 12:31.160 --> 12:33.240 Heart rate detection or be protection which 12:33.800 --> 12:36.040 I don't care because that's not my use case 12:37.080 --> 12:40.120 But um you know when I started getting into it is kind of cool to be like 12:40.120 --> 12:42.760 Oh, you know I've had 10,000 steps today and oh wow 12:42.760 --> 12:44.760 You know we did 70,000 steps today 12:46.280 --> 12:50.600 So it's kind of nice it it helps you remind you that you're not being connected with us 12:51.560 --> 13:00.040 I go up and down the stairs. I try to go up and down the the stairs of the office and or walk at least once a day and then do the trail every day 13:00.040 --> 13:03.400 But it is up in the by trail and it's up being like every other day 13:06.040 --> 13:08.040 I will save it 13:08.040 --> 13:10.040 speed up your gut 13:10.200 --> 13:12.200 and I said 13:12.200 --> 13:14.200 speed boosts 13:15.240 --> 13:16.200 on the 13:17.560 --> 13:19.880 speed limit sign went up 10 miles 13:20.920 --> 13:25.640 So I will say that um that was kind of interesting the whole fitness thing is kind of interesting to be 13:25.960 --> 13:29.720 whatever but I don't appreciate or even want to know 13:30.440 --> 13:32.440 how they're using that information 13:33.560 --> 13:36.600 and what they're gathering location data and you know 13:37.080 --> 13:39.080 my 13:39.080 --> 13:43.480 My you know how many steps I've got where I've gone all that stuff not super great 13:44.600 --> 13:46.600 That could certainly go great didn't we put down 10 13:47.720 --> 13:49.720 10 miles an hour 13:49.720 --> 13:53.240 That's what I just went up just went up for like 13:54.120 --> 13:57.080 Two miles just long enough to get this meeting ticket in this me trip 13:58.120 --> 14:01.560 We have 10 miles in them right back down. Oh, what now we're down another 14:03.240 --> 14:05.240 60 from 60 to 45 now 14:06.600 --> 14:08.600 Wow, so we went 14:10.200 --> 14:12.200 That's that's hilarious 14:12.360 --> 14:14.360 Anyways 14:16.920 --> 14:18.920 Where was I 14:18.920 --> 14:22.360 So I got in I put the ever ever 14:23.240 --> 14:24.920 Watch me and back on 14:24.920 --> 14:29.560 I've been sometimes thinking with it and I take it an idea of how much sleep I get 14:30.200 --> 14:32.200 um 14:32.200 --> 14:34.920 I come in and out of getting the pepper sleep 14:35.560 --> 14:39.560 But you start doing the math when you've actually fall asleep at least for myself 14:40.440 --> 14:42.440 It doesn't look particularly great 14:42.440 --> 14:44.440 um, you know, I get 14:46.680 --> 14:51.240 6 hours maybe 7 if I get anything passed 7 I start to wake up 14:52.280 --> 14:54.280 early and then fuck around like a fish 14:55.880 --> 14:57.880 I have our less I'm to come here back 14:59.720 --> 15:01.720 site site no 15:02.520 --> 15:06.200 I tried I actually tried sleeping pills 15:08.920 --> 15:14.840 What's the sleeping pill everybody does I did have five milligrams of 15:15.640 --> 15:20.680 That and I also tried on top of that I tried 15:22.920 --> 15:27.160 What's the other big one Jesus can't remember either one of them not so ma 15:27.800 --> 15:29.800 But the 15:31.080 --> 15:34.040 Whatever sleeping pill is there everybody uses that one 15:35.160 --> 15:37.160 The other one I use is 15:38.200 --> 15:39.720 Gap it pin Jesus 15:39.720 --> 15:41.720 Gap it pin is one and 15:43.480 --> 15:46.760 The other sleeping pill is so not so long 15:48.760 --> 15:52.360 Honestly, I remember anyways, I was taking those and I realized you know 15:52.840 --> 16:02.440 Sometimes I would wake up and like to slowly stuff months I used to drink a fair amount so I'd wake up in a little night and 16:03.080 --> 16:07.720 Like down a bottle like little mini bottle of wine and then go to sleep 16:08.440 --> 16:13.480 Because I would sometimes use my sleeping was so bad I would sometimes use alcohol to try to go to sleep 16:14.200 --> 16:21.560 So I would I would be taking the sleeping pill and I got a pin and sometimes I would even be on the 10 milligrams 16:22.040 --> 16:24.040 I don't think I was sleeping any better 16:24.040 --> 16:27.800 What does to be about me sleeping, but I don't think I was sleeping any better 16:27.800 --> 16:30.040 I just forgot that was sleeping because I was knocked out 16:31.080 --> 16:33.080 But I actually talked to 16:34.280 --> 16:38.760 Some neighbors and the husband is a pharmacist and the wife is a 16:39.880 --> 16:41.720 Primary care 16:41.720 --> 16:47.320 They came over and it is just like I don't know if you all have any friends that are doctors or pharmacists 16:47.400 --> 16:56.360 But Jesus the amount of feedback you get from from two people like that in a room at once is instantaneous 16:57.960 --> 17:01.080 The useful um I like like I 17:01.080 --> 17:04.040 Extremely appreciate the input stuff 17:04.680 --> 17:09.480 Because they will just tell you how it is and what people are doing about the averages and whatever and you'll get to know 17:10.040 --> 17:15.000 You can tell him hey, and you talk to your doctor. They're all like they got to be all careful about what they say 17:15.080 --> 17:18.360 And you got that you know doctors are weird and not really soluble 17:19.560 --> 17:26.840 Um, you know, I've never had a doctor that didn't really be at my level and answer the questions that I'm actually asking 17:28.360 --> 17:33.400 So anyways, they suggested to things and I ended up with the beer bags and some clothes 17:33.400 --> 17:35.000 Those you can have also 17:35.000 --> 17:37.000 So anyways, I was you guys to try my sleeping stuff 17:37.800 --> 17:40.520 I have gotten to where if I exercise 17:41.480 --> 17:46.440 Go out to walk I could sleep and if I can just since this is about my sleep, but I don't drink 17:47.560 --> 17:50.760 I don't really drink anymore. I can actually pretty quickly 17:51.800 --> 17:56.200 I'm actually headed to goodbye by our energy today. So hopefully I will not be 17:57.080 --> 18:01.720 wide-eyed when I get home because that's going to like six hours or I'll take it up until I'll have 18:02.600 --> 18:05.480 Actually five out of you minus five hours when I took it 18:06.200 --> 18:09.800 All right six hours when I took it so hopefully when I get along won't be completely dead 18:10.600 --> 18:12.600 Anyways, still talking about my sleep, sorry 18:15.080 --> 18:21.720 So the next thing I'll talk about is the tracking school the apps are just kind of 18:22.920 --> 18:25.960 Jepro where um, there's a bloat on the same songs 18:25.960 --> 18:28.200 I know people say they want to punch the same song 18:29.400 --> 18:32.120 People say the Garmin stuff is good 18:32.520 --> 18:34.520 There's only a couple of frameworks 18:34.520 --> 18:36.760 Google has a framework is called like 18:37.720 --> 18:40.600 Like phono-ass or some shit they have some kind of framework 18:41.800 --> 18:43.800 So there's like maybe one or two other ones 18:44.920 --> 18:50.600 To like talk to the device or like, you know, apps they can talk to it 18:52.520 --> 18:58.680 He's called like phono-ass as Google's and then I don't know what Garmin uses, but it's weird like 18:59.560 --> 19:03.320 Like there's some some smart watches that support 19:04.040 --> 19:06.040 stuff and others don't 19:06.440 --> 19:12.120 Some of them basically like or if I fit bits and some of them aren't like it don't really understand that you go 19:12.120 --> 19:15.320 System even though smart, which has been around forever at this point 19:15.960 --> 19:18.040 It is not consistent. It's just like the 19:18.040 --> 19:20.040 Android ecosystem but worse 19:21.080 --> 19:24.680 Never let me know what you're gonna get and never let me know how powerful 19:25.560 --> 19:30.200 That thing is until you like buy it or you watch it perhaps out of YouTube videos on 19:31.000 --> 19:37.960 How the actual interface works, but I just kind of bought the cheapest I could get away with and it not be a slow piece of garbage 19:37.960 --> 19:40.440 So I ended up with like that's fine. I think 19:41.960 --> 19:44.520 A budget used for old S5 19:47.240 --> 19:50.200 As far as other applications I like being able to 19:52.280 --> 19:54.280 Suppress the alarm or 19:54.840 --> 19:58.680 Main is alarm so I don't have to take the phone out of the pocket. It's new is the alarm 19:58.680 --> 20:01.960 So like if I'm you know doing something or cooking mainly 20:02.920 --> 20:08.360 I refuse to get like a Google whatever or emails on spawn or echo or even crap 20:09.160 --> 20:13.000 One because a lot of times I'm outside when I want to make an I know it's on it work 20:13.560 --> 20:17.000 And I don't want to have to put one everywhere I am. That's just like ridiculous 20:17.560 --> 20:21.960 I don't want to do that. I also don't want something other than my phone is already recording between 20:22.920 --> 20:27.080 To be to be to be like you know around all time 20:27.640 --> 20:31.400 People that don't really have consent and privacy in mind whatever 20:32.600 --> 20:36.600 So I do like the ability to be able to like 20:37.800 --> 20:39.800 Use it for suppressing alerts 20:40.200 --> 20:42.200 As far as abskow it's just dumb 20:43.640 --> 20:48.440 I have a small form factor. It's like a 40 40 inch or 41 millimeter or whatever 20:49.000 --> 20:55.560 Um, it's pretty much the smallest one they have and I want a very small form factor because 20:57.000 --> 21:03.000 The abs on or dumb anyway, so I don't care. I just want a microphone or an interface for buying a eye 21:04.360 --> 21:06.360 Which I'll probably never get to now 21:09.320 --> 21:11.320 The other thing I like about it 21:11.320 --> 21:12.360 uh 21:12.360 --> 21:16.760 alarms the Google Assistant I guess it's still shitty. It's like it's not the 21:17.320 --> 21:19.480 Soul and set the watches problem. It's the phone 21:21.880 --> 21:23.160 What else do I like about it? 21:24.280 --> 21:26.520 Smart watches nothing really 21:27.880 --> 21:35.160 I will I'll go no no I'm just I'll go into kind of the last part is the interface or the watch faces what I would call it 21:36.360 --> 21:38.360 At least within my ecosystem 21:38.920 --> 21:41.560 The dot face format or the 21:42.520 --> 21:49.160 Whatever the Samsung's format is is a closed ecosystem as far as I can tell 21:50.280 --> 21:53.000 There is nothing out there there's people selling 21:53.800 --> 21:55.800 There's stupid watch faces 21:56.280 --> 22:00.280 There there's people you know talking about how awesome their watch faces are 22:00.280 --> 22:04.120 There's video reviews of people making watch faces but to my knowledge 22:05.560 --> 22:11.240 I even looked on Reddit and I spent a fair amount of time kind of looking around I found some old templates for the old 22:12.200 --> 22:16.680 Um watch faces that aren't really supported anywhere like DMG or D 22:17.240 --> 22:19.000 D something in or something 22:20.280 --> 22:25.880 It's not the new Samsung format or even the whatever the open format for 22:26.600 --> 22:30.120 Google has one this called like it's supposed to be like a 22:31.320 --> 22:33.320 A language that you write in instead of 22:34.120 --> 22:38.600 What happens Google has one and Samsung has one that's apparently compatible 22:39.080 --> 22:44.360 With the watch but if y'all know any way anywhere where I can do watch faces that like have to put 22:45.080 --> 22:47.080 My requirements are one 22:47.960 --> 22:49.960 Calendar right 22:50.680 --> 22:57.960 Google calendar I want the weather and I guess I want my steps battery life 23:00.280 --> 23:03.800 And I don't even know what else is because even on here in the scene 23:04.680 --> 23:10.440 Steps the day of the week. Oh, the next meeting that's coming up 23:11.080 --> 23:16.040 Which is extremely important for me because I can look at it and say ooh if I'm clocked my next meeting great 23:16.440 --> 23:21.240 I got plenty of time to you know figure out whatever I'll live my life by calendar 23:22.840 --> 23:24.840 Steps is in there obviously the time 23:25.720 --> 23:29.560 So I figured hey all all I need to do is take this 23:30.280 --> 23:36.440 Geefault watch face in just modified a little bit like I don't really like the color scheme 23:36.440 --> 23:38.680 I don't like you know 23:38.680 --> 23:42.760 I don't really care about those steps. I just rather had that be about you and maybe put something else 23:43.720 --> 23:45.720 in these whatever they call these 23:47.160 --> 23:49.160 Consignments your containers or whatever 23:50.120 --> 23:52.120 Have their face for anyways 23:53.880 --> 23:55.880 All I want to do is take the default 23:56.440 --> 23:58.840 Samsung one of the default Samsung watch faces 23:59.640 --> 24:04.840 Modified slightly and then move on now. There might be a way I can do that with like 24:06.600 --> 24:13.160 Debug debugging the you need to get on debug and copying it over manually maybe I just don't know 24:13.960 --> 24:17.640 But just the cured like on a like the 24:19.080 --> 24:21.080 Close loop that is watch faces 24:22.120 --> 24:24.120 I could not find any templates 24:24.200 --> 24:29.160 The even the Samsung thing has like nothing right like there's no there's no like 24:30.200 --> 24:35.240 Nothing there's like variables that you can set for certain things but nothing there's no weather 24:35.480 --> 24:39.480 There's no weather built into it and one of the other ones is I think the calendar is not also 24:40.040 --> 24:42.200 Is not built into so it's like okay 24:42.680 --> 24:47.400 So how are you guys doing and from what it feels like it's like some kind of like proprietary 24:48.440 --> 24:51.160 Watch face agent thing that runs on 24:51.800 --> 24:58.440 The device as far as I can tell like I did try to do a fair amount of research and I'm like this is just some kind of like 24:59.800 --> 25:02.680 You know always close to the lack of a better term of like 25:03.560 --> 25:06.840 You know how to you know like how to sell your stupid watch face 25:07.960 --> 25:14.120 I couldn't find anything but just tons tons spam of people's watch faces like I get it you want to sell your like 25:17.000 --> 25:19.000 You want to sell your crappy 25:19.160 --> 25:22.440 You know three dollar watch face that you spent you know eight hours 25:23.080 --> 25:29.720 Doing but it's basically the things everybody else is but you've moved some objects around and maybe you have created some content 25:29.960 --> 25:36.360 I mean, I'll get these guys some credit. They went and you know created you know different textures for different 25:37.320 --> 25:44.360 Logo so you might end up writing making like you know 15 different logos for the battery life in the canary 25:44.600 --> 25:46.600 Um 25:47.160 --> 25:51.080 What I mean really because it's not that difficult to create a watch face 25:52.120 --> 25:54.120 Given the resources and a default template 25:55.000 --> 25:57.000 But I just could not find anything 25:57.400 --> 26:00.600 But just spam so that was a big turn off for me 26:01.560 --> 26:06.760 What I did find was a faceer that I uh there's a bunch of other like three other main ones 26:06.760 --> 26:09.960 They're part of their Samsung itself has their own watch face 26:10.920 --> 26:12.920 Stupid store 26:12.920 --> 26:16.680 Faceer has a bunch of watch faces that are decent 26:17.320 --> 26:19.320 But it's just a spam nightmare 26:19.320 --> 26:24.280 You know, I mean you probably even if I got the premium I would still be bombarded with like you're the new 26:24.280 --> 26:29.880 Deep than you like I don't want that. I want a watch face and I don't want to have like 26:30.920 --> 26:34.920 Basically the faceer interface pops up every time you like 26:35.640 --> 26:38.600 Switch watch faces or like turn on your watch or whatever 26:38.840 --> 26:43.480 You see their logo pop up and then you have to wait for like the watch face 26:43.480 --> 26:46.520 So like be decoded or whatever you push so like your phone 26:47.000 --> 26:49.000 Locally or whatever 26:49.240 --> 26:51.240 But I just don't like the 26:51.640 --> 26:53.640 Spaminess of the whole thing 26:55.240 --> 26:58.840 But you can use they you know they give you free you know 26:59.480 --> 27:01.480 There's free tier watch faces 27:01.480 --> 27:03.480 Um, and I actually found 27:03.480 --> 27:07.400 $40,000 watch face that's kind of cool so I could like pretend that I had 27:08.040 --> 27:11.240 $40,000 watch but on a you know digital 27:12.840 --> 27:14.040 Watch face design 27:14.040 --> 27:16.600 Which is kind of interesting and I also found a way to like rip 27:17.480 --> 27:21.880 Any watch face you just replace the resource URL with like whichever one you want 27:22.680 --> 27:25.480 And then you save that as your custom watch face 27:26.040 --> 27:29.560 new new load your custom watch face you just replace the URL 27:31.400 --> 27:33.960 And it will put basically pull in all the encrypted 27:34.600 --> 27:38.840 Errant code, it's not encrypted, it's encoded watch face stuff 27:39.400 --> 27:43.880 And it'll pull it in and then you just say yep, this is my watch face and you click same 27:44.600 --> 27:49.480 And it'll seem all you know over right your custom watch face with whichever 27:50.440 --> 27:54.040 Resource you said which I'm sure they are to know about but it's kind of interesting 27:55.560 --> 28:03.400 So I actually uninstall the face your app because I was like I still like the the way it works in the way the watch faces work and the way you customize it is all proprietary 28:03.960 --> 28:10.120 Like I just took them to my knowledge the only way to create a watch face is through their stupid web UI and I don't want that 28:10.120 --> 28:14.760 I want to be able locally create a template make my own watch face 28:16.120 --> 28:22.680 Modify it slightly and then you know save it locally back it up at my own thing this guy's be done 28:25.240 --> 28:27.240 So that's a big turn off the whole 28:27.960 --> 28:33.400 Pay to play watch face thing is just stupid. I feel like it shouldn't be a thing by now 28:33.960 --> 28:40.600 But apparently it still is maybe I'm missing something maybe I need a dig deeper, but it's just I just didn't get past all the like 28:41.400 --> 28:43.400 Paywall spam stuff 28:44.680 --> 28:46.680 So that's essentially where I'm at 28:48.040 --> 28:51.000 I haven't gotten anywhere with my any eyes stuff because I know 28:51.560 --> 28:53.080 We're not there yet 28:53.080 --> 28:56.600 It would be nice to kind of start working on it and connect it to an agent 28:57.240 --> 29:02.600 And it would skate back to my voice and I would have like the voice he processed on my server and hold 29:03.080 --> 29:05.400 But that would take oh take like 29:06.040 --> 29:09.000 Well probably five seconds to upload it, you know another 29:10.040 --> 29:15.160 You know five seconds to process what you know speech to text it convert it 29:15.800 --> 29:21.400 It didn't like another probably five seconds to come up with a response and then like a much longer time 29:21.880 --> 29:30.600 Probably five seconds to like create the way the audio file that is the playback of the response to my request 29:31.480 --> 29:35.640 And then you know upload it to the phone and play it and be like another one 29:35.640 --> 29:39.240 So like all I was sitting down and probably take like 20 seconds just to like 29:40.360 --> 29:45.560 Get the response back from my knee eye at this time at least this feeling but my coating skills 29:46.760 --> 29:50.040 So it's not really there yet and even it doesn't really sound a lot like me 29:51.000 --> 29:59.960 Um, the fine tuning is something out of my pay grade and literally but you could because it would make enough money to have my own 30:00.360 --> 30:07.000 You know massive large model. I mean, if I want to do it, I'm gonna do it. I want to do it. I want to do it right and get a decent 30:08.040 --> 30:10.760 Respectable size model in there and I'm just not ready for like a 30:11.560 --> 30:18.120 $10,000 coming in to to create your own local large thing was model and I'm fine tuning all that stuff 30:18.120 --> 30:20.680 But we'll get there and it'll get smaller and cheaper faster 30:21.320 --> 30:25.800 I think these big ones just like the image stuff will be whatever so anyways 30:26.600 --> 30:31.400 I've re-didn't and gone on for 30 minutes now. I apologize if you're still listening 30:32.600 --> 30:37.320 You know if you understand watch faces and want to help me figure out templates for watch faces 30:38.600 --> 30:41.480 My requirements are you know seeking Google calendar 30:42.200 --> 30:44.200 Showing the weather for the next couple days 30:44.840 --> 30:49.000 Oh, that's it. That's really only one. 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